Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

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Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

Postby Film Syncs » 25 Nov 2010

blu mentioned in another thread that the footsteps are missing as Herb and Dan walk back toward the bum behind Winkie's and then I noticed that when the footsteps appear - it's not two sets of footsteps ... it's only one.

So, that got me to rethink things a bit particularly around the question, why only one set of footsteps?

How about this ... there is only one set of footsteps because there is only one person walking. Herb.

Herb and Dan's scene within Winkie's may be someone's dream but it's a dream about a delusional man with an imaginary friend named Dan.

Key points:

1. We don't see anyone other than Herb interact with Dan.
2. Herb pays the diner bill.
3. Herb opens the door when they leave.
4. Most importantly, Herb can talk with his imaginary friend Dan. But he can't get him to produce footsteps and he can't get him to eat the food he orders. Dan eats none of the food or drink before him nor does he even use his napkin. Herb chows everything down.

The downside of this idea would seem to be what's the point of a dreamer dreaming about individuals living in a fantasy world (so to speak)?

Is it possible that Lynch is doing his version of Harvey (1950) during the dream portion of the film? Where only some people can see the white rabbit? After all, in the second Winkie's scene - Betty is given the check. Why would the waitress assume she gets it ... unless she is the only one actually at the table? We sure don't see Rita even react with any physical item at the table - let alone eat something or any real sign that the waitress really sees her. Food for thought.
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Re: Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

Postby vicster111 » 25 Nov 2010

Excellent conclusion of what's seen here. It makes perfect sense! It kills me that I didn't see something so obvious before. Lol!

I wonder what Dan meant, however, when he told Herb that "Of all people, you're standing right over there. And you're scared". I've been wondering if people interacting with 'invisible friends' are in fact people consulting/conversing with a part of themselves. The practical/smart/sensible part of themselves.

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Re: Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

Postby blu » 25 Nov 2010

That is indeed food for thought. I really like the idea.

Perhaps Herb is tiring of his imaginary friend Dan (or he got rid of him once and he came back) thus explaining his weary attitude towards him in Winkie’s. I always got the impression from that scene that Herb thought he was finished with Dan (whatever their relationship) and he was humouring him with this breakfast meet but didn’t really want to be there with him. This might be a reoccurrence of something that Herb thought was behind him.

The Harvey connection is definitely feasible. I like this.

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Re: Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

Postby blu » 25 Nov 2010

marksman wrote:The film that this idea reminds me of is the Sixth Sense. In the Sixth Sense, you see the Bruce Willis character apparently interacting with people, but this is an illusion because he is a ghost (without knowing it) and is invisible to everyone. There is a restaurant scene in which someone else pays the check, which seems quite natural. But at the end of the film, you see what really happened: The same scene is shown, but without Bruce Willis, and then you realize that this must be true version. It is a long time since I saw this film, so I can't entirely trust my memory, but the above is roughly what happens.
My sixth sense tells me that this scene with Dan and Herb (which is so hard to fit into the rest of the film) is crucial to understanding MD.

I think it's Willis' anniversary with his wife and he turns up late, she's crying and she thinks he won't speak to him. You're right about the paying of the bill. I found the screenplay online.

INT. RESTAURANT - EVENING

Malcolm hurriedly enters a spacious, dimly-lit Italian
restaurant. He stops in the dining room and searches the many
candle-lit tables. He finds Anna.

Anna sits alone at a corner table. The remains of her half-eaten
dinner lay on the only place setting on the table. A small PIECE
OF CAKE WITH A CANDLE in it sits untouched.

Anna stirs sugar in her coffee as Malcolm sits in the seat across
from her. She gently stops stirring, but doesn't look up. Beat.

MALCOLM
I thought you meant the other
Italian restaurant I asked you to
marry me in.

Anna isn't laughing. Not even close.

MALCOLM
I'm so sorry.
(beat)
I can't seem to keep track of time.

Anna quietly takes a sip from her coffee.

MALCOLM
It didn't go well today. Spent
some time after trying to get my
head together.

Anna looks around for the waiter.

MALCOLM
They're so similar, Anna. They
have the same mannerisms. The same
expressions. The same thing
hanging over them.
(beat)
It might be some kind of abuse.

That makes Anna turn back. She glances across the table, then
looks down.

MALCOLM
There are cuts on Cole's arms.
Fingernail marks, I think. Looks
like defensive cuts.

Malcolm demonstrates by holding up his arm to shield his face.

MALCOLM
(beat)
Possibly a teacher, neighbor.
(beat)
I don't think it's the mother.
Just a gut thing. The way she
deals with him. It doesn't fit.
(beat)
Hard to say this early. Could
just be a child climbing a lot of
trees.

Malcolm loses himself in his thoughts. The waiter drops off the
check on the table. Anna grabs it before Malcolm and quickly
signs it.

MALCOLM
I know I've been kind of out of it
for a long while and you resent it.
You do. I know you're mad. I know
it's put some distance between us.

Beat.

MALCOLM
But I'm getting a second chance
here. I can't let it slip away.

Anna waits till he's done and rises from the table. She pushes
her chair in hard and walks away without a word. Malcolm sits
alone and stares at the piece of cake with a candle on it.

MALCOLM
(soft)
...Happy Anniversary.

Interesting parallels. The piece of cake untouched vs Dan's breakfast untouched is neat. Not sure of a direct connection. But I could be wrong.

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Re: Theory: Dan is Herb's Imaginary Friend

Postby blu » 25 Nov 2010

marksman wrote:Blu, the character played by Bruce Willis is actually dead. Its just that his ghost won't accept death. His wife sits at the table and isn't aware that his ghost is sitting there. Bruce Willis keeps on talking to her, and thinks that she is listening but she can't hear anything. There is just one moment when she seems to sense his presence, but this is fleeting. This is all revealed at the end of the film. Its actually a master class of how a director can play tricks on an audience. And yet I preferred Unbreakable to it. The scenes of Samuel Jackson and Bruce playing off each other were terrific.

Sorry. I probably didn't make myself clear enough. I've seen the film. I really enjoyed it first time around, but it's a one-trick deal and the director has shown himself to be something of a busted flush in the end. Which is a shame.

I dug out the screenplay because I could remember the scene you were talking about, but couldn't remember the detail.

As I said, I think there are a couple of nice parallels here, but whether we have a direct connection I'm not sure.


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